Originally by: Amateratsu

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What about if you don't use it, will you get another when the current timer expires?

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Amateratsu

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What about if you don't use it, will you get another when the current timer expires?

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yeah, this. I'm supposed to get a remap tomorrow, i suppose i'm rather boned if this free remap overwrites my current timer

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Originally by: Caldariftw123

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2 Characters are born on the same day, both get 2 remaps at the same time. Character 1 who has up to this point never remapped now has 3, character 2 who used 2 remaps already and has anywhere from 1 day to 1 year to wait for next remap, now has 1 remap available now instead.

Which character gets the most from this?!? NEITHER you entitlement-convinced-idiots, because they will ALL have had 3 remaps in total and equal opportunity to use those remaps.

"but character 1 can now plan to use his short-term without worrying about a timer reset!" yeah and you remapped ages ago where he didn't, but your 3 remaps have lasted the exact same amount of time as his has.

Whining whining whining this forum is full of ill thought out whining.

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Originally by: Caldariftw123

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Again read what I said: How many remaps has that person had in how many months? Right, exactly the same as the other guy, except you used yours earlier. READ. AGAIN. SLOWLY. Char 1 gets 2 remaps, char 2 gets 2 remaps, then they both get a free one. They've both had 3 remaps. One of them used some of theirs, the other did not, they still had the same number of remaps however.

If you use your remap, your timer is reset, yes, does that screw you over? No. Why? Well if you think about it using the same basic logic .. char 1 now has 3, you have 1, you use yours and your timer is set to 12 months from now, char 1 uses all of their's at some point and has to wait 12 months for their next one. Let's say for some stupid reason they both use them all on the same day, so they then wait 12months for their next one. You've both still had the same number of remaps in the same time frame! Amazing how that works right?

Now let's say more realistically you use yours but the other dude uses his over a period of time, then he waits a year for his next one which will come after you've already gotten yours - you are now ahead of him because you've gotten your fourth remap in less time than it takes for him to gets his fourth.

Are you gaining much, you who has 1 month to wait for your next one anyway? No you aren't gaining much, just a month, but it's a month of free all the same, whereas the guy who has 3 still has the same amount of remaps in the same time frame as you, except his fourth one will come later. So in reality those that used their remaps are always going to get more remaps in a shorter time frame, than those that do not use their remaps. So in fact the ONLY pseudo-complaint people could have has NOTHING to do with those people that now have 3 remaps, but those that used all their remaps recently will now get their timer reset. This change benefits those that remapped recently the most and those that remapped later the least. Entitlement convinced idiots can't even complain about the only actual thing that "hurts" someone (IE you don't get AS MUCH as someone else) This whole "3 remaps dudeblahblah" thing is utter nonsense though :)

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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I think all this rabble rabble was for naught, brotatos

logged in to see that i have two remaps available, when previously i had zero and would receive a new one tomorrow afternoon. So...everyone who spent their remaps should be getting two, not one. Everyone who had one got bumped up to three.

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Originally by: EffBee Primus

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I have 3 characters on each of 3 accounts and have never ventured into the area of remapping. All nine of my characters have 3 remaps each. I guess I should start using them.

But I am confused - even after skim reading this thread.

1) What does the timer time? Time till I can do another remap? Time till next remap given to me? Other?
2) I THINK I can do 3 remaps anytime I want, but after the last one will have to wait a year for the next.
3) Will I ever lose a remap if I don't use it. Most of my training happens with a main on each account. A little with a secondary support character on each account. Practically none on the third character on each account.

I need to get this right so I don't accidentally screw my mains with a bad attribute setup for a year. Thanks

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Originally by: Keira Matrix

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Not perfect, perhaps not just and I'll leave that up for philosophical debate but certainly gave everyone the possibility of respeccing now.

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Very true, and more than what a lot of us was expecting. I for one saw no reason in the first place to hand out a remap. So it was a bonus, maybe not an equal bonus but a bonus anyway.

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Originally by: Claire Voyant

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Quoting myself from a thread in the Skill Discussion forum:

So in summary:
1) Never remapped -> 3 available
2) Remapped more than a year ago ->2 available
3) Remapped within a year before 15 Dec 2010 -> 1 available
4) Remapped between 15 and 16 Dec 2010 DTs ->2 available

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Originally by: Claire Voyant

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I see it now. Do you have any more information you can supply?

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Originally by: Claire Voyant

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Originally by: Miss Pristine

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Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.

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Please take a look at the character described in this post and tell me if you see any differences compared to your character.

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Originally by: Commander Phoenix

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I also have another character who was created on 2010.01.10

Had used 1 of the 2 available remaps and didn't use the other one. He has now got 2 remaps, not 3 like my other character.

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Originally by: Spark Rinn

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While this doesn't affect me, the change affects different players' strategic choices rather dramatically. I can accept the explaination given, even though it is flawed as many people have pointed out.

However, this is a major PR desaster, because the explaination should have been given before the changes took place. In any case, "free remap" doesn't imply remap timer reset.

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Originally by: Arte

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I only have one remap - the 'gift' bought my remap date forward by 2 months.

I'm really happy about that and I don't care that others may have the chance to do 2 remaps. It doesn't affect what I do in the slightest.

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Originally by: Arte

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That's it precisely in my opinion. Sure it would be nice, but the fact that some folks got it and we didn't - doesn't change what you or I got in the slightest

.07

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Originally by: Mia Restolo

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So an old, never remapped character receives two > total 3.
A newer never remapped character gets one > total 3.
A newer character who remapped once more than one year ago gets two > total 3.
And a newer character who remapped once less than a year ago gets one > total 2.

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